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  • Imigrait
    06-16 04:53 PM
    For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky".
    Of course everyone who have worse qualifications(according to who??-> dilipcr ) are ordinary. Rest of the people are good. This is the same argument as "now that I have GC, let me come out and say retrogressions and less GCs are good, cuz I am qualified and I already have GC."

    And yes I agree EB based GC is built by merit. Merit according to the employer who will keep paying the employee if the employee performs his job at least satisfactorily. Dilipcr is not the adjudicator here, the market aka the employer is. And...... the employer is making sure it is following the regulations prescribed by USCIS.

    Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
    What's not to believe? You just did!

    In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
    People don't view any statement that you're from a top college as egoistic. Ppl view it as egoistic when after 15-20 years out of college you still throw around your college name to make other people treat you differently. Dude, after 20 years people from various colleges are working with you, some doing a worse job than you and some better, colleges don't matter any more for the current job. It might have some influence in a new job.

    Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.

    Why are you calling outsourcing companies scum? So do you call the companies that manufacture in China as scum too? I know tonnes of engineers from Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others who work for Google,Msft,Apple,Amazon etc etc. So now that these people have bathed in Ganga(google etc etc) their scum is washed off?

    "the speed of market" -The outsourcing companies are part of the market. Yes the salaries have gone down, but that's according to the speed of the market, not due to some participants outside the market.

    "committing pervasive fraud" - No US or foreign company will keep a company if the value proposition dosen't work for them. For Building a webpage or multi tiered web applications we don't need a rocket scientist. Hence, the market is paying what is deserved. Would you be able to keep a job if you don't perform in the US? Then why will an outsourcing company be treated differently?

    Ok it seems lots of other people are also responding so I'll stop here. :D





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  • la6470
    01-16 02:37 PM
    The fact is , as I perceive it to be , is that when this country needed the IT consulting industry to boom (pre dot com and a few years thereafter) they allowed consulting companies to send their employers to the client site (I dont understand how else a consulting firm can operate). However now the situation is changed and as per some misguided folks in USCIS going after the h1b consulting companies will DRAMATICALLY improve the job market for locals here. However the truth is that it is not going to help the locals. With the introduction of cloud computing, widespread broadband penetration around the globe and the software as a service model - the services will simply shift to the most optimum location. You can allready see it happening - just go to elance.com or guru.com and you will see small (1-10) person companies based in India and Russia earning more than half a million USD per year. At the end of it - these are nothing but misguided efforts by a prehistoric government agency that is governed by archaic rules that are irrelevant in today's world.





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  • Macaca
    01-16 11:58 AM
    Wonder what is being achieved from these "lively" debates other than feeding the other side with enough ammo to decimate all of us.

    Nearly all laws/regulations originate from such garbage.

    Hira/Matloff's US born donkeys scavange these blogs 24/7. Some of these scavengers are hired.

    The garbage is then processed by Hira/Matloff.

    The processed garbage is passed to Dustbin/Grassley/Sanders and Herbst/Thibodeau. Herbst/Thibodeau print this garbage after adding sleaze (curry, slumdog, ...) and generalizing to all Americans. They pre-inform these (less then 10) donkeys who add more garbage within an hour and continue with distinct names. They block everyone out to give the impression that these are mainstream American opinions.

    Then, Dustbin/Gr assley/Sanders propose laws and USCIS makes regulations claiming all Americans are severly impacted.

    There is no problem if it true. But 80% is complete garbage.

    The 20% truth is a personal problem. It does not require a law/regulation - specially, a law/regulation to kill the entire system backdated for 10 US born donkeys.

    This is also the story of the Dustbin/Gr ass ley curry bill (in CIR 2010).

    Hira/Matloff have lied their ass off. At every level!

    It is very unfortunate that USICS/lawmakers (other than Dustbin, Grassley, Sanders) pander to these scumbags. Such laws/regulations will not provide any relief to these donkeys.





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  • Caliber
    09-23 08:46 AM
    As completely unrelated these two issues are (from a law maker's perspective) on a normal day, these are possibly those times when each of these issues can help the other.

    END OF CONTENT

    Nixstor: I know how responsible person you are. You must have given lot of thought to this. Even if 20-30% people buy house, that reduces the no of applicants waiting for GC which will make it faster for the people that do not want to buy now for various reasons.

    I fully support this idea. Thanks for bringing such good and justified proposal.



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  • vdlrao
    07-22 01:45 PM
    Here's an Apr-2006 EB2-I approval posted today on Murthy forum:

    http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=1474093861&m=8351049171


    Please post the priorirty date of EB2 India/China approvals along with the approval date information, in the following thread ,for EB2 India/china approvals from Aug 2008 bulletin released date(Jul 11th).

    I know they will approve pending EB2 India/China applications which they process even before Aug 1st 2008.

    Please post the approvals information in the following thread and update the IV Tracker so that it would be informative(helpful) for all of us.

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20230&highlight=vdlrao





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  • ajthakur
    07-15 02:32 AM
    I filed for 485 during July 2007. My 140 was already approved. Due to some problems I quit my employer in August 2007. My previous employer was a desi blood sucker. I was fed up & decided to quit after working for him for 3 years. I applied for H1 transfer with a new employer based on approved 140. I got H1 approval for another 3 years. Currently I am working for the new H1 sponsoring employer. I also received an EAD card based on pending 485 for one year. I didnt notify USICS of job change in July.

    I applied for EAD extension this year. The application for EAD extension is pending. I got a following RFE on my 485:
    Please state whether or not you are currently working for your I-140 petitioner.
    You must submit a currently dated letter from you permanent employer, describing your present job duties & position in the organization, your proferred position (if different from your current one), the date you began employement & the offered salary & wage. The letter must also indicate whether the terms & conditions of your employement based visa petition (or labor certification) continue to exist.

    I am not in good terms with my previous employer so I cant ask him for a letter. I can ask my new employer for such a letter.
    Also is it possible that 140 was revoked by my previous employer?
    Why did they send a RFE instead of NOID in my case?



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  • thakurrajiv
    06-27 07:42 AM
    I don't know how much to trust these sources. I am very nervous though.
    I understand that the visa number is reduced once 485 is approved. But rememeber that in 2005 dates were current and thousands of applications got filed.Most of the applications were pre-adjusted and just need number to be assigned.So in July, there is possibility that many applications can get approved and they can get approved fast !!
    I am in the same boat as everyone else. Just wanted to share my worries.





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  • alisa
    02-15 02:13 AM
    How would letting "people" know that there is a problem help? The only people that matter are politicians.

    I dont' mean people in general. I mean people like you and I.
    Average Joe is probably not googling 'retrogression' as he enjoys his baby back ribs.
    People like you and I are.

    It would increase membership. Which would increase funding. Which would enable us to lobby more. Which will have a greater chance of success.

    From Einstein's famous equation:

    membership+funding+lobbying+patience = chance of success
    Anything else = Absolute failure.



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  • meridiani.planum
    03-29 10:17 PM
    India- by happily showing how democracy can be at its... you guessed it, "worst"
    Dont agree?? True Democracy, implies "for the people and by the people", right?
    well in India its a tiny bit different...."For the thugs and by the thugs"

    and in the US the government is by the corporations and for the corporations (why are they the leading campaign contributors otherwise, and why do they all get tax payer funded bailouts and bonuses otherwise?). The US is no better.

    Power corrupts. Almost every government is corrupt.





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  • paskal
    02-13 08:33 PM
    I don't think there is much I disagree with you. You are right about most things. Especiallly, that it is not an exact science. A lot depends upon how many applicants there are, and how many numbers are increased, and how much the country limits are increased by.

    I also don't think that the country limits will go away totally. They will probably just increase them. But you never know. Espeically, because at some point, they will go to the point system, and then who knows whats going to happen to us.

    Also, its not that I am concerned about what is GOOD JUST FOR ME. (BTW, its not just me, its about a third of IV) I am more worried about what is bad for me.


    i think it's pretty clear that increasing GC numbers is the first priority for iv. removing country limits would be a thin band aid of sorts if the GC numbers do not change. GC numbers have to increase, the rest comes after that.

    hence in my view this argument is moot.
    we need to come together and work on this, otherwise we all fail.



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  • Subst_labor
    03-17 10:32 PM
    Subst_labor, you became an annonymous member today only to post this question. I am sure you must be a regular member of IV but created a new profile just for this question.

    Why don't you tell us how much you bought your labor for? Show us a proof that you have not bought it.

    I think I made a mistake of answering your post and apologize for that to all members. I also urge people not to answer anyone with substitute labor on this forum.

    such people cut in line in front of us and don't even bother paying money to IV. Why should we give them free advice. If they can spend money buying labor for 20K they can spend hundred dollars and consult a lawyer and ask their question. It is with such mentaility they are brought up with in their country- Currption and getting things done with money. But never paying anyone for a just cause. In my country people contribute only when they fear god in temples, for medical treatment or to astrologers!!


    I also urge moderators to close such threads on this forum whenever someone is diagnosed with a substitute labor cancer. Yes it is a cancer that is worsening retrogression further.

    At least on this forum we can have the resolve to fight such people who are hurting most of us.

    Now if someone argues with me on this post, then it will mean that either that person has himself bought a substitute labor or is looking for one. So don't even bother because a lot of members after reading this post will come hard on people who are ok with substitute labor on this forum.

    Mr. Janak,
    Do you understand English? First of all, i had mentioned, i am BEING offered, meaning i havent gone for the labor yet and even if i do there will be no buying or selling involved.
    Second of all, i am sick and tired of stereotype Indians like you, who ASSUME everything without knowing anything and come out with your own theories from the bizzarro world [i know, pathetic loosers like to vent at any and every opportunities they get. Spare me your crap, if u dont know anything and cant help, then just stay quiet.]





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  • kondur_007
    01-13 09:25 PM
    Can USCIS face legal challenges on this? It was just a memo, no law has been changed by the Government; the laws are just the same they were when they let it about a million people or so through these IT consulting companies.

    Now they go back and say that was a misinterpretation of existing laws :eek:

    This is the issue. They are targeting areas that are not "clearly defined" in the "law" itself and so they are changing "interpretation" and Implementation the way they wish. This is quite vicious move...rather than dealing with legal process, they are manipulating it. I am not a lawyer, but I doubt that this can be chanllenged legally. All we can work on is to actually "define them in law"; which would require help of congress to get actual law that defines these things; not the interpretation of some bureaucrat...



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  • bestia
    02-14 06:40 PM
    Circus123 & Bestia thanks 4 the quik answers to my first post on this site; By now I just read & learned a lot from this site about GC process.Now it's time to take action because we have a PD current.
    I just wanna be sure about the dates 'cause I cannot rely on my layer 100% because last year he insisted on completing our files 4 GC but he "forgot" 2 mention that our PD is nou current yet!!!
    We'll send the cheques tomorrow!
    I can hardly wait to get my EAD so I can apply 4 a decent job!!!!!!
    Any idea if it takes longer than 90 days?
    thanx all of U 4 your answers.

    Dyana,

    I would suggest using your own checks for I-485. This way, once USCIS will cash your checks, and if you have online banking - you will see the receipt numbers on the back of the checks. This way you will be able to see your application status right away. It was very critical (at least for me) during June/July tsunami of applications, as I received the actual receipt pretty late.

    Also, don't count on that EAD, it will be safe to invoke AC21 only after 180 days and having approved I-140. You have good chance to have your AOS adjudicated. In this case you will have to stay with your current employer for at least another 6 months. If you will leave before 180 days and your GC will be approved, then AC21 will not apply and your GC will be revoked.

    I also learned a lot on IV :)





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  • Marphad
    04-16 10:00 AM
    How about Simon for PM of India. This guy knows everything ahead of time -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk



    RxPZh4AnWyk



    .

    Susan is the best that I have heard till now. Simply awesome!

    .

    OK, Its your opinion and that shows your civic sense. But why are you posting the same again and again?



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  • rsdang
    07-29 05:29 PM
    Friend wants to get married to his GF who is here on an F1 visa
    He has had his GC for 2 years now

    Questions?
    - Can he get any paperwork for his spouse befor becoming a citizen?
    - What is the fastest route for him to get his GF the GC?

    Thanks
    Randeep





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  • sroyc
    02-12 08:44 PM
    I don't think Abhijit chose the right analogy, so your response to that makes sense.

    India and China are not sending multiple skilled-immigrant teams to the US. They have come here on their own either to work or study and they are being hired by American companies on the basis of merit, same as everyone else.

    Other than the fact that there is a large talent pool of high-tech workers in India and China, there's nothing that stops them for hiring more skilled immigrants from other countries.

    If the US truly believes in a quota system for employment based immigration, it should reflect in the workforce first. Enforce the quota system while issuing F1/H1 visas. Then you will also ensure true diversity (only among immigrants) in the workforce.

    What you have is two classes of immigrant workers in the same company - those who belong to retrogressed categories and those who are not, with similar qualifications and with similar roles. The difference is that in a few years, the workers who get the green card sooner will have the ability to pursue other opportunities while the other class of workers grind away. With the current scenario, a future colleague from a ROW country can join 6-8 years after me and still get the green card ahead of me. How can you say that it is not discrimination?

    If you remove the per country quota, the ROW candidates might have to wait for 3 years instead of 1, but the Indian/Chinese candidates will have to wait for 3 years instead of 8-10. I don't think removing the per country quota will harm ROW folks as much as it'll benefit Indians and Chinese AND it'll ensure fairness.

    Per country limit applies to every country in exactly the same way. It doesn't discriminate between Chad or China. So, how is it discrimination? And think about it- in Olympics soccer/basketball every country can send only one team. Should China and India be allowed to send more teams since they have a larger population? We should try to increase the number of GCs.



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  • zbd
    10-18 11:36 PM
    I'm not looking for a citizenship but I gotto live here and almost getting Canada PR. If this is the case, anyway I'll lose the PR 5 years later since I couldn't stand there 2 years long in 5 years.
    Please advise.





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  • software7
    05-31 07:06 PM
    this pending I485 applications include dependents





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  • carpediem
    05-28 11:45 PM
    Can someone tell me if this is right?

    - Total number of EB-2 visas = 40,000
    - 7% of 40,000 are allocated for India = 2,800
    - Number of EB-2 I I-485 apps pending = 30,000

    So if there is no spillover from other categories it will take north of 10 years for all the people who applied for I-485 in the July 2007 fiasco to get Green Cards. The only caveat to this would be attrition or legislation.





    vinrobo
    07-21 02:05 PM
    When I moved to Cali about 2 yrs back from the midwest, I saw a guy at a desi store in the bay area who looked very similar to an old school friend whom I have not seen in 14 yrs. I went upto him and started talking to him asking if he was the same guy, He insulted me and avoided me like the plague. In midwest, I have not had any similar exp when I have tried stiking any conversation with a desi, so I was shocked. Then my BIL who had been living in the bay area for a while tole me about amway cons being in huge numbers and the fact that Desis do not trust anyone in the bayarea who appear friendly and the probable reason why this guy behaved the way he did. It is sad that we cannot be friendly to our own countrymen.

    sad indeed. but its not isolated to bay area.





    Vishal2007
    05-03 06:13 PM
    Tamils are totally discriminated in our so called Home land, I support Prabhakaran to bring Elam that brings relief to Tamils in India, We denounced India long back,, 35 yrs back terrorist Bal Thackeray killed Tamils (for his cheap politics) in Mumbai, then Karnataka (they are incomparable with trash) . Just for every one to know, if you are Singhalese 40% is good for your start College, if not, you need 80% to continue for college.



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